Cosmic Distance Ladder video with Grant Sanderson (3blue1brown): commentary and corrections
What's new 2025-02-14
Grant Sanderson (who creates the website and Youtube channel 3blue1brown) has been collaborating with myself and others (including my coauthor Tanya Klowden) on producing a two-part video giving an account of some of the history of the cosmic distance ladder, building upon a previous public lecture I gave on this topic, and also relating to a forthcoming popular book with Tanya on this topic. The first part of this video is already available; at the current time Grant is still editing the second part.
The video was based on a somewhat unscripted interview that Grant conducted with me some months ago, and as such contained some minor inaccuracies and omissions. It also generated many good questions from the viewers of the Youtube video. I am therefore compiling here a “FAQ” of various clarifications and corrections to the video; this was originally placed as a series of comments on the Youtube channel, but the blog post format here will be easier to maintain going forward. Some related content will also be posted on the Instagram page for the forthcoming book with Tanya.
For now, the comments only pertain to the first video; I plan to extend this page with commentary for the second video when it becomes available. I will mark each question with an appropriate timestamp to the video.
- 4:50 How did Eratosthenes know that the Sun was so far away that its light rays were close to parallel? This was not made so clear in our discussions or in the video (other than a brief glimpse of the timeline at 18:27), but Eratosthenes’s work actually came after Aristarchus, so it is very likely that Eratosthenes was aware of Aristarchus’s conclusions about how distant the Sun was from the Earth. Even if Aristarchus’s heliocentric model was disputed by the other Greeks, at least some of his other conclusions appear to have attracted some support. Also, after Eratosthenes’s time, there was further work by Greek, Indian, and Islamic astronomers (such as Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Aryabhata, and Al-Battani) to measure the same distances that Aristarchus did, although these subsequent measurements for the Sun also were somewhat far from modern accepted values.
- 5:17 Is it completely accurate to say that on the summer solstice, the Earth’s axis of rotation is tilted “directly towards the Sun”? Strictly speaking, “in the direction towards the Sun” is more accurate than “directly towards the Sun”; it tilts at about 23.5 degrees towards the Sun, but it is not a total 90-degree tilt towards the Sun.
- 5:39 Wait, aren’t there two tropics? The tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorn? Yes! This corresponds to the two summers Earth experiences, one in the Northern hemisphere and one in the Southern hemisphere. The tropic of Cancer, at a latitude of 23 degrees north, is where the Sun is directly overhead at noon during the Northern summer solstice (around June 21); the tropic of Capricorn, at a latitude of 23 degrees south, is where the Sun is directly overhead at noon during the Southern summer solstice (around December 21). But Alexandria and Syene were both in the Northern Hemisphere, so it is the tropic of Cancer that is relevant to Eratosthenes’ calculations.
- 5:41 Isn’t it kind of a massive coincidence that Syene was on the tropic of Cancer? Actually, Syene (now known as Aswan) was about half a degree of latitude away from the tropic of Cancer, which was one of the sources of inaccuracy in Eratosthenes’ calculations. But one should take the “look-elsewhere effect” into account: because the Nile cuts across the tropic of Cancer, it was quite likely to happen that the Nile would intersect the tropic near some inhabited town. It might not necessarily have been Syene, but that would just mean that Syene would have been substituted by this other town in Eratosthenes’s account. On the other hand, it was fortunate that the Nile ran from North to South, so that distances between towns were a good proxy for the differences in latitude. Apparently, Eratosthenes actually had a more complicated argument that would also work if the two towns in question were not necessarily oriented along the North-South direction, and if neither town was on the tropic of Cancer; but unfortunately the original writings of Eratosthenes are lost to us, and we do not know the details of this more general argument. Nowadays, the “Eratosthenes experiment” is run every year on the March equinox, in which schools at the same longitude are paired up to measure the elevation of the Sun at the same point in time, in order to obtain a measurement of the circumference of the Earth. (The equinox is more convenient than the solstice when neither location is on a tropic, due to the simple motion of the Sun at that date.) With modern timekeeping, communications, surveying, and navigation, this is a far easier task to accomplish today than it was in Eratosthenes’ time.
- 6:30 I thought the Earth wasn’t a perfect sphere. Does this affect this calculation? Yes, but only by a small amount. The centrifugal forces caused by the Earth’s rotation along its axis cause an equatorial bulge and a polar flattening so that the radius of the Earth fluctuates by about 20 kilometers from pole to equator. This sounds like a lot, but it is only about 0.3% of the mean Earth radius of 6371 km and is not the primary source of error in Eratosthenes’ calculations.
- 7:27 Are the riverboat merchants and the “grad student” the leading theories for how Eratosthenes measured the distance from Alexandria to Syene? There is some recent research that suggests that Eratosthenes may have drawn on the work of professional bematists (step measurers) for this calculation. This somewhat ruins the “grad student” joke, but perhaps should be disclosed for the sake of completeness.
- 8:51 How long is a “lunar month” in this context? Is it really 28 days? In this context the correct notion of a lunar month is a “synodic month” – the length of a lunar cycle relative to the Sun – which is actually about 29 days and 12 hours. It differs from the “sidereal month” – the length of a lunar cycle relative to the fixed stars – which is about 27 days and 8 hours – due to the motion of the Earth around the Sun (or the Sun around the Earth, in the geocentric model). [A similar correction needs to be made around 14:59, using the synodic month of 29 days and 12 hours rather than the “English lunar month” of 28 days (4 weeks).]
- 10:47 Is the time taken for the Moon to complete an observed rotation around the Earth slightly less than 24 hours as claimed? Actually, I made a sign error: the lunar day (also known as a tidal day) is actually 24 hours and 50 minutes, because the Moon rotates in the same direction as the spinning of Earth around its axis. The animation therefore is also moving in the wrong direction as well (related to this, the line of sight is covering up the Moon in the wrong direction to the Moon rising at around 10:38).
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14:49 I thought the sine function was introduced well after the ancient Greeks. It’s true that the modern sine function only dates back to the Indian and Islamic mathematical traditions in the first millennium CE, several centuries after Aristarchus. However, he still had Euclidean geometry at his disposal, which provided tools such as similar triangles that could be used to reach basically the same conclusions, albeit with significantly more effort than would be needed if one could use modern trigonometry. On the other hand, Aristarchus was somewhat hampered by not knowing an accurate value for
, which is also known as Archimedes’ constant: the fundamental work of Archimedes on this constant actually took place a few decades after that of Aristarchus!
- 15:17 I plugged in the modern values for the distances to the Sun and Moon and got 18 minutes for the discrepancy, instead of half an hour. Yes; I quoted the wrong number here. In 1630, Godfried Wendelen replicated Aristarchus’s experiment. With improved timekeeping and the recent invention of the telescope, Wendelen obtained a measurement of half an hour for the discrepancy, which is significantly better than Aristarchus’s calculation of six hours, but still a little bit off from the true value of 18 minutes. (As such, Wendelinus’s estimate for the distance to the Sun was 60% of the true value.)
- 15:27 Wouldn’t Aristarchus also have access to other timekeeping devices than sundials? Yes, for instance clepsydrae (water clocks) were available by that time; but they were of limited accuracy. It is also possible that Aristarchus could have used measurements of star elevations to also estimate time; it is not clear whether the astrolabe or the armillary sphere was available to him, but he would have had some other more primitive astronomical instruments such as the dioptra at his disposal. But again, the accuracy and calibration of these timekeeping tools would have been poor. However, most likely the more important limiting factor was the ability to determine the precise moment at which a perfect half Moon (or new Moon, or full Moon) occurs; this is extremely difficult to do with the naked eye. (The telescope would not be invented for almost two more millennia.)
- 17:37 Could the parallax problem be solved by assuming that the stars are not distributed in a three-dimensional space, but instead on a celestial sphere? Putting all the stars on a fixed sphere would make the parallax effects less visible, as the stars in a given portion of the sky would now all move together at the same apparent velocity – but there would still be visible large-scale distortions in the shape of the constellations because the Earth would be closer to some portions of the celestial sphere than others. (This problem would be solved if the celestial sphere was somehow centered around the moving Earth rather than the fixed Sun, but then this basically becomes the geocentric model with extra steps.)
- 18:29 Did nothing of note happen in astronomy between Eratosthenes and Kepler? Not at all! There were significant mathematical, technological, theoretical, and observational advances by astronomers from many cultures (Greek, Islamic, Indian, Chinese, European, and others) during this time, for instance improving some of the previous measurements on the distance ladder, a better understanding of eclipses, axial tilt, and even axial precession, more sophisticated trigonometry, and the development of new astronomical tools such as the astrolabe. See for instance this “deleted scene” from the video, as well as the FAQ entry for 14:49. But in order to make the overall story of the cosmic distance ladder fit into a two-part video, we chose to focus primarily on the first time each rung of the ladder was climbed.
- 18:30 Is that really Kepler’s portrait? We have since learned that this portrait was most likely painted in the 19th century, and may have been based more on Kepler’s mentor, Michael Mästlin. A more commonly accepted portrait of Kepler may be found at his current Wikipedia page.
- 19:07 Isn’t it tautological to say that the Earth takes one year to perform a full orbit around the Sun? Technically yes, but this is an illustration of the philosophical concept of “referential opacity“: the content of a sentence can change when substituting one term for another (e.g., “1 year” and “365 days”), even when both terms refer to the same object. Amusingly, the classic illustration of this, known as Frege’s puzzles, also comes from astronomy: it is an informative statement that Hesperus (the evening star) and Phosphorus (the morning star, also known as Lucifer) are the same object (which nowadays we call Venus), but it is a mere tautology that Hesperus and Hesperus are the same object: changing the reference from Phosphorus to Hesperus changes the meaning.
- 19:10 How did Copernicus figure out the crucial fact that Mars takes 687 days to go around the Sun? Was it directly drawn from Babylonian data? Technically, Copernicus drew from tables by Islamic astronomers, which were in turn based on earlier tables by Greek astronomers, who also incorporated data from the ancient Babylonians, so it is more accurate to say that Copernicus relied on centuries of data, at least some of which went all the way back to the Babylonians. Among all of this data was the times when Mars was in opposition to the Sun; if one imagines the Earth and Mars as being like runners going around a race track circling the Sun, with Earth on an inner track and Mars on an outer track, oppositions are analogous to when the Earth runner “laps” the Mars runner. From the centuries of observational data, such “laps” were known to occur about once every 780 days (this is known as the synodic period of Mars). Because the Earth takes 365 days to perform a “lap”, it is possible to do a little math and conclude that Mars must therefore complete its own “lap” in 687 days (this is known as the sidereal period of Mars). (See also this post on the cosmic distance ladder Instagram for some further elaboration.)
- 21:39 What is that funny loop in the orbit of Mars? This is known as retrograde motion. This arises because the orbital velocity of Earth (about 30 km/sec) is a little bit larger than that of Mars (about 24 km/sec). So, in opposition (when Mars is in the opposite position in the sky than the Sun), Earth will briefly overtake Mars, causing its observed position to move westward rather than eastward. But in most other times, the motion of Earth and Mars are at a sufficient angle that Mars will continue its apparent eastward motion despite the slightly faster speed of the Earth.
- 21:59 Couldn’t one also work out the direction to other celestial objects in addition to the Sun and Mars, such as the stars, the Moon, or the other planets? Would that have helped? Actually, the directions to the fixed stars were implicitly used in all of these observations to determine how the celestial sphere was positioned, and all the other directions were taken relative to that celestial sphere. (Otherwise, all the calculations would be taken on a rotating frame of reference in which the unknown orbits of the planets were themselves rotating, which would have been an even more complex task.) But the stars are too far away to be useful as one of the two landmarks to triangulate from, as they generate almost no parallax and so cannot distinguish one location from another. Measuring the direction to the Moon would tell you which portion of the lunar cycle one was in, and would determine the phase of the Moon, but this information would not help one triangulate, because the Moon’s position in the heliocentric model varies over time in a somewhat complicated fashion, and is too tied to the motion of the Earth to be a useful “landmark” to one to determine the Earth’s orbit around the Sun. In principle, using the measurements to all the planets at once could allow for some multidimensional analysis that would be more accurate than analyzing each of the planets separately, but this would require some sophisticated statistical analysis and modeling, as well as non-trivial amounts of compute – neither of which were available in Kepler’s time.
- 22:57 Can you elaborate on how we know that the planets all move on a plane? The Earth’s orbit lies in a plane known as the ecliptic (it is where the lunar and solar eclipses occur). Different cultures have divided up the ecliptic in various ways; in Western astrology, for instance, the twelve main constellations that cross the ecliptic are known as the Zodiac. The planets can be observed to only wander along the Zodiac, but not other constellations: for instance, Mars can be observed to be in Cancer or Libra, but never in Orion or Ursa Major. From this, one can conclude (as a first approximation, at least), that the planets all lie on the ecliptic. However, this isn’t perfectly true, and the planets will deviate from the ecliptic by a small angle known as the ecliptic latitude. Tycho Brahe’s observations on these latitudes for Mars were an additional useful piece of data that helped Kepler complete his calculations (basically by suggesting how to join together the different “jigsaw pieces”), but the math here gets somewhat complicated, so the story here has been somewhat simplified to convey the main ideas.
- 23:28 Can one work out the position of Earth from fixed locations of the Sun and Mars when the Sun and Mars are in conjunction (the same location in the sky) or opposition (opposite locations in the sky)? Technically, these are two times when the technique of triangulation fails to be accurate; and also in the former case it is extremely difficult to observe Mars due to the proximity to the Sun. But again, following the Universal Problem Solving Tip from 23:07, one should initially ignore these difficulties to locate a viable method, and correct for these issues later.
- 24:04 So Kepler used Copernicus’s calculation of 687 days for the period of Mars. But didn’t Kepler discard Copernicus’s theory of circular orbits? Good question! It turns out that Copernicus’s calculations of orbital periods are quite robust (especially with centuries of data), and continue to work even when the orbits are not perfectly circular. But even if the calculations did depend on the circular orbit hypothesis, it would have been possible to use the Copernican model as a first approximation for the period, in order to get a better, but still approximate, description of the orbits of the planets. This in turn can be fed back into the Copernican calculations to give a second approximation to the period, which can then give a further refinement of the orbits. Thanks to the branch of mathematics known as perturbation theory, one can often make this type of iterative process converge to an exact answer, with the error in each successive approximation being smaller than the previous one. (But performing such an iteration would probably have been beyond the computational resources available in Kepler’s time; also, the foundations of perturbation theory require calculus, which only was developed several decades after Kepler.)
- 24:21 Did Brahe have exactly 10 years of data on Mars’s positions? Actually, it was more like 17 years, but with many gaps, due both to inclement weather, as well as Brahe turning his attention to other astronomical objects than Mars in some years; also, in times of conjunction, Mars might only be visible in the daytime sky instead of the night sky, again complicating measurements. So the “jigsaw puzzle pieces” in 25:26 are in fact more complicated than always just five locations equally spaced in time; there are gaps and also observational errors to grapple with. But to understand the method one should ignore these complications; again, see “Universal Problem Solving Tip #1”. Even with his “idea of true genius” (which, incidentally one can find in Einstein’s introduction to Carola Baumgardt’s “Life of Kepler“), it took many years of further painstaking calculation for Kepler to tease out his laws of planetary motion from Brahe’s messy and incomplete observational data.
- 26:44 Shouldn’t the Earth’s orbit be spread out at perihelion and clustered closer together at aphelion, to be consistent with Kepler’s laws? Yes, you are right; there was a coding error here.